Two Things

Mar. 24th, 2003 03:27 pm
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Registering a personal domain name: Quite cool, or a bit pointless?

Also: The way I deal with links. If you've clicked on any of the links in my entries, you'll have noticed that they open in a new window. Now, I know that popups are Bad; but I find that if I'm browsing something with multiple links, I vastly prefer that they auto-open in a new window (as long as they all target to the same window, which is what I do with mine). That way, I can read through the original text in one window, and open each link in a second window as I come to it with a minimum of fuss. What I want to know is, does anyone else prefer this, or do you all find my links intensely annoying?

Date: 2003-03-24 07:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] brassyn.livejournal.com
new window! always prefer for a link to open in a new window so that it doesn't interfere with what i am reading on the original page. i spend a lot of time right clicking and selecting 'open in a new window' for most of my messageboards because i'm that fanatical about it. or maybe just weird. i end up with a lot of windows.

Date: 2003-03-24 08:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] brassyn.livejournal.com
forgot to address the first issue too: aye to a domain name.
rea.com is possibly not available though.

i also wish to envy you if you did indeed go and see the mad capsule markets.

Date: 2003-03-24 08:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] coalescent.livejournal.com
i also wish to envy you if you did indeed go and see the mad capsule markets.

Envy away. Entry to follow later. :-)

I still can't get my head around your having more than one user icon. It's not right.

preview is a handy tool

Date: 2003-03-24 08:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] brassyn.livejournal.com
Envy away

oh bum. i'd known for months that they were playing, but kept forgetting when. then we made plans to go the cinema completely oblivious to the fact that the band were in town that night.

I still can't get my head around your having more than one user icon. It's not right.

i live to perturb. actually, i can't get my head around it either which is why i rarely actually use anything other than the lovely default ken. you gotta love the ken.

Ooo...I like your new pic!

Date: 2003-03-24 09:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] applez.livejournal.com
Miike-tastic!

Remind me not to invite you to an Audition ... and please please please don't say 'prin prin prin prin'

:-)

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Re: Ooo...I like your new pic!

Date: 2003-03-24 09:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] brassyn.livejournal.com
damn! best put the leather apron back in the cupboard then.

Re: Ooo...I like your new pic!

Date: 2003-03-24 12:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] applez.livejournal.com
(whew) I was afraid someone I know would 'disappear' and end up hobbled without several important dexterous bits...

:-)

Incidentally, I'm finding it remarkably difficult to acquire 'Ichi the Killer' and even 'Battle Royale' on DVD hereabouts. Surprising really.

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Date: 2003-03-24 07:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hddod.livejournal.com
I use Netscape 7 for Solaris and I have it set to "middle-click to open link in a new tab", which is what I tend to use when browsing LJ. I previously used middle click to open a new window when I felt it was appropriate anyway -- I'd rather have the choice than have it imposed on me, I guess...

Personal domain -- well, I've got poppyfields.net but I've had it for over six years now and I was originally going to use it for something more serious than the almost-vanity-domain that it is now. Depends what it is and what you're going to use it for, I guess.

Date: 2003-03-24 07:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pikelet.livejournal.com
New window! New window!

Plus - I have a personal domain name (in fact, at one point I think I had four, back when I couldn't decide which one to use), so I may not be in the best position to comment on your first question.

Date: 2003-03-24 07:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] snowking.livejournal.com
Get Mozilla. Get tabs. You bloody fool.

Tabs are the greatest thing in the world ever. Well, the browsing world.

Date: 2003-03-24 08:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] coalescent.livejournal.com
I know what tabs are. I keep meaning to get hold of Opera. But I don't know of a way to specify 'target link to tab' rather than 'target link to window'.

Date: 2003-03-24 09:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] snowking.livejournal.com
Just use middle click to open new tabs and damn everyone else for using IE.

Date: 2003-03-24 09:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] coalescent.livejournal.com
I know not of this 'middle click'. I've only got the one button here, and only two at home...

Date: 2003-03-24 09:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] snowking.livejournal.com
You don't have a scroll wheel? How can you have a mouse without a scorll wheel these days?

As for Macs, I use Safari which is OS X only and littlecurlything button and click. It's the prettiest broswer ever incidentally.

Date: 2003-03-24 09:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] coalescent.livejournal.com
How can you have a mouse without a scorll wheel these days?

I don't have a mouse. I have a laptop.

And I don't have the option of using Safari here, however nice it may be. Unless I persuade the whole company...

Date: 2003-03-24 10:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] snowking.livejournal.com
See, I didn't know that. You secretive bastard :P

Anyway, I presume there is a tabbed browser for OS 9. Mozilla should be available if nothing else.

Date: 2003-03-24 01:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] truecatachresis.livejournal.com
Bah, and your laptop doesn't have a scroll wheel for the mouse-imitating touchpad? Mine does...

Date: 2003-03-24 09:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mattia.livejournal.com
Get Opera. Tabbed browsing the cool way, with mouse gestures and all. Plus, it's a fuckload faster than Mozilla is. Even on a ridiculously over-spec'd P4 system.

Oh, and to Niall: multiple windows. Good thing. I almost always link using target="_blank", have done for a while, don't plan on changing that habit.

Date: 2003-03-24 09:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] coalescent.livejournal.com
Oh, and to Niall: multiple windows. Good thing.

It's interesting. There seems to be a definite split in attitude on this issue...to be honest, I didn't expect so many in favour of multiple windows. I'm more used to my friends preaching the One True Way of the user defining all his browsing preferences.

Re:

Date: 2003-03-24 10:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mattia.livejournal.com
Well, in terms of websites, outside links I ALWAYS dump to a new window. To avoid weird issues of breaking into/out of frames. Besides, people must learn that multiple window browsing is the Way Forward

;o)

Date: 2003-03-26 04:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] coalescent.livejournal.com
Besides, people must learn that multiple window browsing is the Way Forward

I'm sure it's significant that all of us truckstoppers prefer multiple windows, whereas those I think of as favouring 'proper' practices (for want of a better phrase) dislike them...

Date: 2003-03-24 07:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tizzle-b.livejournal.com
Domain? Yes.

New Window? Yes.

Sorted :)

Date: 2003-03-24 07:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hawkida.livejournal.com
I prefer to control myself whether a new window opens - if I want to open a new window I can right click and choose "open in new window". I would assume clicking a link in your entry would reload my main page and then I would waste time (mere seconds if that, but still) going to hit the "back" button and finding it greyed out and having to close the window instead.

Registering a personal domain is very useful if you want a permanent email address that isn't dependent on your ISP and which doesn't end in something lame like "hotmail". Again - if you want a web page for any reason it's going to be easier to remember and look a bit more professional if it's not sitting on someone else's server in a subdirectory.

My provider is based in America and isn't the cheapest around but I find it very handy as I have shell access there as well - all my email is held on that server, including old filed stuff. This means that wherever I am I can SSH into the space and have access to it. I can store files there for the same reason. I find it extremely useful, others might think it a waste of money.

Date: 2003-03-24 08:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] coalescent.livejournal.com
I prefer to control myself whether a new window opens - if I want to open a new window I can right click and choose "open in new window".

See, that's what I do most of the time (or rather, I shift-click. Keyboard shortcuts are The Way Forward). The problem is, it opens a new window every time, which I find annoying. I don't know of a way to 'open in existing window that is not this window'.

Is there a way to set the default browsing preference to 'always open in current window' at your end that would override my settings? Not that I'm saying you should have to, I'm just curious.

I'm not sure what the best solution is. Based on comments from others here, it sounds like what would be most popular is the specification 'open in new tab if available, else open in existing window named [whatever], else open in new window named [whatever], unless otherwise specified by the user'. But I have no idea how to turn that into HTML...

shift-click short-cuts

Date: 2003-03-24 11:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scribeoflight.livejournal.com
How do you set up shift-key short-cuts to do things like opening links in new windows? Is it really obvious...? I can't figure out a quick way of doing it... Also, does anyone know if I can set up the middle-button (the scroll-button) to perform a custom function like 'open link in new window'? Does XP have that degree of functionality...

Mmmm.

Re: shift-click short-cuts

Date: 2003-03-24 12:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] coalescent.livejournal.com
How do you set up shift-key short-cuts to do things like opening links in new windows?

Well, in IE5, shift-click (apple-click on a Mac) opens the link in a new window by default. If that isn't working for you, I'm afraid I can't help; I don't know how to configure buttons.

Date: 2003-03-24 08:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tinyjo.livejournal.com
I find links that open in a new window really really annoying. If I want to view something separately, I'll right click on it and open it in a new tab in Mozilla - that way, I'm in control and I don't have to have loads of windows cuttering up the desktop. On the other hand, I can (and do) still do that with most of your offsite links and my choice (new tab) overrides yours, so that's fine. And I think that personal domains are nice :)

Date: 2003-03-24 08:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] coalescent.livejournal.com
that way, I'm in control and I don't have to have loads of windows cuttering up the desktop.

This is why I always target my links to the same window - the theory being that (a) you'd only ever have two windows and (b) for reading link-dense text, two windows is better than one. I appreciate that (b) is up for debate (and that I'm not often that link-dense), which is why I asked.

Date: 2003-03-24 03:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hawkida.livejournal.com
Yeah, but you can't control how many other sites the user is viewing. What if every link of yours they followed led them to a site that behaved like your entries? How many windows would that lead to?

I appreciate that you're thinking about it and trying not to be irritating but I think you're engineering something that users can do by themselves if they're sufficiently bothered. Well, almost. No, they can't make everything load into window X but then if they're going to lose the current contents of X in your way they might as well close it. What if they specifically WANT to keep the content of window X in the background and then choose to click another of your links? Blip, it's gone.

I have to admit, though, I don't think I've ever clicked on any of your links and if I have I've not noticed that it appeared in an extra window. But in general I prefer to have the control myself.

Date: 2003-03-26 04:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] coalescent.livejournal.com
What if every link of yours they followed led them to a site that behaved like your entries? How many windows would that lead to?

Lots, but personally, I'd be much happier with things that way. I find multiple windows much friendlier than keeping a handle on the history. And apart from anything else, I can be reading one page whilst another loads in the background.

We seem to be coming from different browsing paradigms. :-)

users can do by themselves if they're sufficiently bothered. Well, almost

And, inevitably, it's the 'almost' that gets me. I've been known to use my journal as a personal links-reference, and just got bored of shift-clicking all the time.

What if they specifically WANT to keep the content of window X in the background and then choose to click another of your links?

They can use 'open in new window' to override my settings, surely?

What I still haven't been able to find is whether there's a shortcut for 'open in same window' that works as an override.

I think I'm going to keep doing things as I have been for now (since at least as many people have said they prefer it as said they dislike it), but investigate more. Thanks for the comments, though.

Well...

Date: 2003-03-24 08:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xsabx.livejournal.com
Registering a personal domain name: Quite cool, or a bit pointless?</>

gubbins.net has been mine for at least 5 years. Domain good, spam bad, that's pretty much the size of it.

Re: Well...

Date: 2003-03-24 08:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] brassyn.livejournal.com
mmm... chocolate.

sorry, icon just too tempting!

Date: 2003-03-24 08:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sbisson.livejournal.com
We've been using SandM.co.uk for a few years now. It's a default email address for both of us, and with [livejournal.com profile] marypcb working from home, and my second career, it gives us a useful place to pin our virtual flag to the aether...

That and it's an amusing URI to own...

re: personal domain

Date: 2003-03-24 09:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] applez.livejournal.com
Quite cool AND pointless. ;-)

Who has the time for websites anyway? :-)

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Date: 2003-03-24 11:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] despotliz.livejournal.com
I like the links set to open in new window (or tab) but I'm not overly bothered cos I have some option set that seems to force them to. As far as browsers go, I'm using Phoenix because it's fast and I ahve no need of the other bits and bobs that go with Mozilla.

and personal domain names rock. Also mine was insanely cheap (just over a fiver for two years) and gives me somewhere to forward mail to when my main uni account dies in just over a year.

Date: 2003-03-24 01:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] truecatachresis.livejournal.com
My personalt opinion is that your defaults are wrong on both counts, but then I'm an awkard bastard like that. If I want something in a fresh window, then I can open it in a fresh window. If I don't want it in a fresh window, I shouldn't have to. And if it does open in a fresh window, please let it be a FRESH window. It's easier to close a window or go to another window than it is to go back in those circumstances.

No to new windows.

Date: 2003-03-27 04:15 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Other posters have already spelled this out. If the user wants links to open in new windows, the user should arrange for this in their browser.

As for the domain, well, if you feel like it, go for it. But use a sensible TLD/SLD like .org, .org.uk or .me.uk. Anything else is just criminal. (Oh, and the answer to your question will be yes :)

Dom (http://dom.magd.ox.ac.uk/diary.shtml).

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