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Actual answer here. Vote before you click.

EDIT: See also [livejournal.com profile] jlassen's two entries, and Andrew Wheeler here.

FURTHER EDIT: Commentary from [livejournal.com profile] rosefox here and [livejournal.com profile] cristalia here.

Re: The real answer

Date: 2007-08-30 03:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jamiam.livejournal.com
Well, I was thinking of "token" in the sense of: "it's still ridiculous to think that one name to represent 50% of the population is somehow adequate. But they didn't even manage that..."

Re: The real answer

Date: 2007-08-30 03:55 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] seajules
Ah. In that case, I would have to agree.

Re: The real answer

Date: 2007-08-30 04:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jamiam.livejournal.com
Well, I thought you might. ;)

Re: The real answer

Date: 2007-08-30 04:43 pm (UTC)
seajules: (mod goddess)
From: [personal profile] seajules
You never know. I mean, it's not like I wrote the comment you quoted for which several people seem to be giving you flak. Sorry about that.

Re: The real answer

Date: 2007-08-30 04:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jamiam.livejournal.com
S'okay. There's enough flak for two here, anyway.

And while there probably are better (and ultimately more-productive) ways to explain to publishers/editors how "gender blindness" inevitably leads to "gender inequality," other people are doing that work down-thread. Your point still stands: it makes you angry. It makes me angry, too. And that is a marketing consideration--which Mr. Williams has said he will ignore. Which doesn't precisely do anything to assuage my annoyance.

So here we are, back at the beginning.

Re: The real answer

Date: 2007-08-30 06:38 pm (UTC)
seajules: (mod goddess)
From: [personal profile] seajules
Frankly, I think the anger such "blindness" engenders is de-emphasized too often. Particularly in a case like this, because my mood and my feelings about the publisher do influence my book-buying, and these are legitimate factors in said book-buying. We're not talking textbooks, we're talking leisure reading. How I feel about it is kind of the point.
From: [identity profile] bellatrys.livejournal.com
in women auditioning for orchestras not being As Good As any of the men auditioning, until orchestras were required to audition applicants truly blind, behind a screen, and found out to their shock that women actually could play just as well as men...
seajules: (mod goddess)
From: [personal profile] seajules
Yes. Not only is blindness not a thing to aspire to, but it so often ends up being code for "blindness to my own socially-cultivated biases."

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