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Two scottish gentlemen (waistcoats and cigarettes and all), sitting in a smokey, slightly dingy cellar bar, discussing esoteric points of philosophical, political and historical theory: it sounds almost like a scene from a Ken Macleod novel, and it almost could have been, except for the fact that the event in question was an interview of Macleod himself (introduced as 'the greatest living libertarian trotskyist science fiction author', or similar), conducted by Telegraph journalist Andrew McKie, with an attentive audience all around.

Yes, last night was the monthly BSFA event, and if I'm slightly disappointed that there wasn't much discussion of Newton's Wake - Macleod's latest, which I'd borrowed from Andrew and read specially! - the feeling is more than compensated for by the thoughtful nature of the discussion that there was, including a wonderful, visionary quotation that will form the epigraph to Macleod's next novel (Learning the World, from which he also read a brief extract). The quote was written in about 1872, and I'm really hoping someone can remind me what it was.

Perhaps the reason that most of the discussion focused on the Fall Revolution and Engines of Light books was that they are seen as more complex works. But to me, one of the really great things about the sf writer's toolbox is that although rocket ships and enigmatic artifacts have all sorts of juicy metaphorical and symbolic potential, and despite the fact that creating worlds out of whole cloth allows a unique perspective on our present, when you get down to it these are also all things that are, plain and simple, cool. It's almost more of a toybox than a toolbox; and in Newton's Wake (his eighth novel, and the first to fully stand alone), Macleod is clearly enjoying playing with his toys. The examples above all feature prominently, as do wormhole networks, death rays and aircars - all the old pulpy tropes are confidently deployed, and stirred into the mix with a completely disarming sense of fun.

The setup, in brief, is this. In the not-too-distant future, Europe and the US go to war. In the early minutes of this war, weak AIs on the American side bootstrap themselves up to full transcendence, triggering the event later known as the Hard Rapture: a full-on, biosphere-altering singularity. Fairly quickly the godlike AIs disappear into the quantum weave of the universe, and the remnants of humanity are left scrabbling in the ruins. Two factions develop. The Returners are for reclaiming the Earth, and the souls uploaded during the Singularity; and the Reformers, known also as the Runners, want to light out for pastures new, and do so.

The two groups lose contact with each other. Those left behind discover a network of wormholes, of somewhat obscure origin, that enables travel to other worlds. New powers develop. There are the communist DKs; the technophilic but cautious, vaguely buddhist Knights of Enlightenment; and the Luddite farmers known disparagingly as America Offline. And last but not least there are the Bloody Carlyles, Glaswegian gang-family, who take control of the wormhole network and make their living (or at least the vaguely legitimate portion of their living) from controlling trade through it. All of this is backstory, however: our entry-point into the story proper comes centuries after the establishment of this status quo, when the main viewpoint character, energetic 'combat archaeologist' Lucinda Carlyle, arrives on a new world. There she discovers (a) an immense, enigmatic artifact that may be posthuman or entirely alien, and (b) that the planet already has a name - Eurydice - and is home to the lost Reformer society, plus some Returner resurrectees, based in the retro-futuristic metropolis of New Start.

A frankly dizzying amount of plot ensues (particularly considering the novel's relatively modest page-count), in which the main interest comes from how the Eurydiceans are re-integrated (or not) into the sphere of human politics; as in earlier novels, Macleod sets up his societies mainly so they can be knocked down in interesting ways, when egos and ethos collide. But this is, as we are explicitly told by a handy subtitle, a Space Opera, and as such more extravagant than Macleod's previous novels. In fact, this is a book that takes more joy in the simple matter of being science fiction than anything else I've read this year.

The joy, however, is tempered by self-awareness. A major plot strand sees Eurydicean Andrew Lloyd-Webber-alike Benjamin Ben-Ami (composer of 'Shakespearean' productions such as The Tragedy of Leonid Brehznev and Guevara!) working on a new Opera, about the fallout of the war that triggered the Hard Rapture, entitled Rebels and Returners. Predictable digs at those unable to separate authorial intent from the characters he creates aside, the main goal of this strand seems to be to point up the heavily stylised nature of the form, and by extension, the stylisation, and thus the limitations, of space opera.

This isn't a plausible future. It might maybe have been fifty years ago, but now it's just a construction, one as ludicrous in its way as any pure fantasy you care to name. The very familiarity of all those cool tropes, so casually thrown around, reinforces the understanding that Macleod's characters are merely players on a stage of calculated artifice (there's a nagging feeling that the characters know it, too, and are just dressing up to say Macleod's lines for us). And this may be a stretch, but it seems to me that within the novel, both aspects of this artistic speculation have literal counterparts. In a future where people can be uploaded, downloaded, resurrected and reconstructed, and in a cosmology where everything is guaranteed to happen again in the next Grand Cycle, the question of what it means to be aware is necessarily foregrounded; and the value of the sort of orphan worldbuilding that Macleod is practicing contrasts with the more literal type of worldbuilding - terraforming - carried out by some of the novel's societies.

All that said, let's be clear - this is, first and foremost, a rattling good yarn, with the social and political speculation, for once, taking a back set. It's an adventure story; a Macleod with more bang for your buck. I get the feeling he thoroughly enjoyed writing it, along the way taking the chance to poke fun at the expectations engendered by 'a Ken Macleod novel', and the feel-good vibe is infectious. This is science fiction, but relax: you're in safe hands.

So the meeting spurred me to read one good novel, which has to count for something, and whilst there I happily acquired three more: a paperback copy of Maul; a proof copy of Ian McDonald's River of Gods (woohoohoo!); and a trade of Redemption Ark. The latter came from the raffle. My first pick from the available prizes would have been the proof of Tony Ballantyne's Recursion (not published until july; 'will appeal to fans of Michael Moorcock and Stephen Baxter', apparently, which is interesting considering they're not authors I would immediately associate), but of course somebody else snapped that up first.

One other question: there was, inevitably, some discussion of 'the new British space opera'. Who writes it, how long it's been going for, that sort of thing. What nobody could satisfactorily answer for me was which novels, aside from The Centauri Device, could be said to constitute an old British space opera. Was there ever such a thing (although it wouldn't have been considered as such at the time, obviously), or is it simply the case that all the old space opera was American?

Old British Space Opera

Date: 2004-05-27 02:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ninebelow.livejournal.com
Barrington Bayley's work comes to mind, for example The Zen Gun. Maybe Brian Aldiss's Non-Stop. Consider Phlebas ;)

Re: Old British Space Opera

Date: 2004-05-27 03:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] coalescent.livejournal.com
Hmm. The Zen Gun is only early eighties, so it's not that long ago. Consider Phlebas (or possibly Take Back Plenty) were the start points we picked for the new space opera, although obviously it didn't fully take off until Peter Hamilton and Alastair Reynolds got going. We were trying to find examples from much earlier - the fifties or sixties, really.

Re: Old British Space Opera

Date: 2004-05-27 04:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ninebelow.livejournal.com
I didn't realise The Zen Gun was that recent, I thought it was circa The Centauri Device. However most of Bayley's novels from 1970 onwards are space opera.

Consider Phlebas was a joke because despite being the begining of the new space opera it is no spring chicken. Interestingly Locus, in their space opera special last year, fingered The Centauri Device as the start of the new space opera.

Fifties and sixties space opera, I have no idea about.

An article on the evolution of space opera.

Re: Old British Space Opera

Date: 2004-05-27 06:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] coalescent.livejournal.com
IIRC it wasn't Locus per se, it was one of the guest writers, wasn't it? Although my memory could be playing tricks on me.

I'd completely forgotten about that article last night, and when I was writing this post, but I have read it before, and it sounds fairly sensible to my ears. It may be one reason why I'm sceptical about the idea of an old British space opera.
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Re: Old British Space Opera

Date: 2004-05-27 07:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] coalescent.livejournal.com
an ill-tempered thread

Your link doesn't seem to be working...

Re: Old British Space Opera

Date: 2004-05-27 07:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ninebelow.livejournal.com
The writers who did the main article plumped for tCD and so did Ken MacLeod and perhaps another guest writer.

That Hartwell/Cramer article also spawned an ill-tempered thread on the Nightshade forum. Cheerful old Mike Harrison.

[Link fixed]

Date: 2004-05-27 02:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] swisstone.livejournal.com
"Disease will be extirpated; the causes of decay will be removed; immortality will be invented. And then, the earth being small, mankind will migrate into space, and will cross the airless Saharas which separate planet from planet, and sun from sun. The earth will become a Holy Land which will be visited by pilgrims from all the quarters of the universe. Finally, men will master the forces of Nature; they will become themselves architects of systems, manufacturers of worlds."

Winwood Reade, The Martyrdom of Man, 1872

(Ken's quote was longer, but looking at Reade's text, had clearly edited sections out, and I can't recall actually which bits. But that's how it ended.)

I wasn't at all sure I agreed with [livejournal.com profile] purplecthulhu when he said that British sf retreated from space opera once NASA controlled space. I'm not sure British sf was ever there in the first place. It may just be that I don't know enough about the works, but the only pre-1960s British space opera I can think of is Dan Dare. There's Arthur C. Clarke, of course, but he strikes me as being merely British by birth - his novels are very much in a American mould. British sf in the 50s and 60s remains primarily interested in the sort of post-Catastrophe narratives that Wyndham specializes in, and that can be traced back to Wells. The New Wave, for all its innovation, grows out of that same tradition. So I think 'British' space opera is largely a post-80s phenomenon. I blame, no entirely facetiously, the formative influence of Blake's Seven.

Date: 2004-05-27 03:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] purplecthulhu.livejournal.com
Its a pity that what I said was the last thing said at the meeting, since I think its a discussion that could and should be gone into in depth.

As for pre-60s British space opera I can give some suggestions. From the quality end of the market, might I suggest Stapleton and Wells, while on the pulpier side, we have the likes of Ken Bulmer and all the Badger Books people. Their work might not have survived, but I doubt it was more poorly written than EE Doc Smith et al. Not that I'm an expert on them!

Date: 2004-05-27 04:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] coalescent.livejournal.com
Winwood Reade, The Martyrdom of Man, 1872

Whoa. Good quote.

Dan Dare

Of course! How could we have forgotten that?

I think, despite the examples that people are coming up with, that I tend to agree that British space opera is a phenomenon from the last twenty years or so. Wait, does that mean we should be blaming Thatcher? :)

Date: 2004-05-27 06:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] coalescent.livejournal.com
Bah. There was meant to be a '[/Firefly]' tag after that 'good quote'...

Date: 2004-05-27 03:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] purplecthulhu.livejournal.com
Sorry to snatch Recursion from your grasp, but it was the only one that attracted me as well.

I could lend it to you perhaps?

Date: 2004-05-27 04:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] coalescent.livejournal.com
Oh, no apologies necessary. It was entirely understandable. And it's not like I'm short of reading material at the moment; somehow, I'll cope! That said, if you happen to have finished it by the next meeting, yes, I'd very much like to borrow it. :)

(And hurrah, this lets me connect another face to another lj name. All together now: "my mental map of fandom is joining up!")

Date: 2004-05-27 04:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ninebelow.livejournal.com
I'll be interested about this one. Ballantyne's debut story, The Fifth VNM, was excellent but the rest of his stories have been a bit erratic and peppered with utter cobblers like Gorillagram.

'Will appeal to fans of Michael Moorcock and Stephen Baxter' is very bizarre, isn't it? I do wonder about Tor UK sometimes.

Date: 2004-05-27 06:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] coalescent.livejournal.com
I'll be interested about this one. Ballantyne's debut story, The Fifth VNM, was excellent but the rest of his stories have been a bit erratic and peppered with utter cobblers like Gorillagram.

I actually thought the two stories he had in IZ last year ('The Waters of Meribah' and 'The Ugly Truth') were his best so far; they're the main reason I'm looking forward to Recursion so much. He seems to actually understand what 'writing an sf short story' means - he really does write stories where the ideas are important to the plot, and not just colour.

I do wonder about Tor UK sometimes.

They're publishing Jeff Vandermeer and Gene Wolfe and, so far as I can tell, more debut sf novels this year than the rest of the UK publishers put together. I think, on balance, they're probably a good thing. :)

Date: 2004-05-27 03:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] del-c.livejournal.com

I thought Newton's Wake got a fair number of namechecks and references; not as many as it might have done if the interview were just a plug for MacLeod's latest, but still fair in the context of his other eight or so novels.

I forgot to ask if, besides being a reference to Glasgow gangs, "the Carlyles" was not also a reference to the Carlyle Group.

I'm still struggling to think of British space opera, but I feel sure I ought to be able to, even if I have to appropriate writers from other countries and label them "British in spirit". Perhaps I should have said instead that it was long the ambition of British fans to read or write British space opera, and that in my case it developed into a full-blown delusion that there had once been such a genre.

Date: 2004-05-27 04:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] coalescent.livejournal.com
I thought Newton's Wake got a fair number of namechecks and references; not as many as it might have done if the interview were just a plug for MacLeod's latest, but still fair in the context of his other eight or so novels.

Yes, I don't really feel at all miffed; good book and good discussion, so I won both ways.

label them "British in spirit".

Oh, well, that's a whole different ball game... :)

Date: 2004-05-27 03:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scribeoflight.livejournal.com
Couldn't you argue that there is an element of Space Opera running through Bob Shaw's work - things like Orbitsville and the The Ragged Astronauts do have that "Space Operatic" feeling, at moments; but if it is Space Opera, it is a distinctly British variety...

And it all depends on your definition of Space Opera. :o)

Date: 2004-05-27 04:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] coalescent.livejournal.com
Ah, I really want to read The Ragged Astronauts, if only because last year every single review of Polystom said 'this setup is just like The Ragged Astronauts!' Damned if I can find a copy, though. I'll have to check the OUSFG library next time I get the chance.

And it all depends on your definition of Space Opera.

Well, obviously. :-p

Date: 2004-05-27 04:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scribeoflight.livejournal.com
Polystom does appear to echo The Ragged Astronauts - and Snow keeps making me think of John Christopher's The World in Winter...

It shouldn't be too difficult to get hold of tRA - although the sequels (The Wooden Spaceships being one) are a little trickier to find.

If the OUSFG library doesn't have it... Shame on them! ;o)

Orbitsville, however, is much, much better - definitely worth a look.

Date: 2004-05-27 04:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] purplecthulhu.livejournal.com
You could also try the ICSF library - I'm pretty sure it has copies of these.

Date: 2004-05-27 06:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] coalescent.livejournal.com
and Snow keeps making me think of John Christopher's The World in Winter...

That was my thought when I first heard about it (well, that and Ballard), but since then a couple of comments, notably one at S1ngularity that I don't want to repeat because it appears to be a significant spoiler, have made me wonder whether it isn't going to be a bit more complicated than that.

Orbitsville is much easier to get hold of; it's one of those luminous yellow Gollancz classics, IIRC.

Date: 2004-05-27 06:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] snowking.livejournal.com
I think I've got Orbitsville. Remind me to look this evening.

Date: 2004-05-27 03:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scribeoflight.livejournal.com
"More complicated", no doubt, in the same way that Polystom is more complicated than The Ragged Astronauts - do you have a link? Spoilers do not frighten me :o)

My Orbitsville, thankfully, isn't one of those "luminous" editions ;o)

Date: 2004-05-27 03:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] coalescent.livejournal.com
Wednesday 5th May.

He's removed the comment as too spoilery, so I'm loathe to repeat it. I'll email you if you really want to know.

Date: 2004-05-27 08:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] swisstone.livejournal.com
the sequels (The Wooden Spaceships being one) are a little trickier to find.

I'm pretty sure I have a copy of that.

Date: 2004-05-27 03:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scribeoflight.livejournal.com
I have tWS, but I haven't come across the second sequel - The Fugitive Worlds, according to ISFDB...

Date: 2004-05-27 03:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] coalescent.livejournal.com
I emailed the OUSFG librarian. A copy is being reserved for me as I type. Hurrah!

Date: 2004-05-27 05:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ajr.livejournal.com
Ah, I really want to read The Ragged Astronauts [...] Damned if I can find a copy, though.

I could lend you my copy, if you want.

Date: 2004-05-27 06:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] coalescent.livejournal.com
Thanks. If I can't prise a copy out of OUSFG, I'll probably take you up on that. Any idea when you're likely to next be at an RSFG meeting?

Date: 2004-05-27 03:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scribeoflight.livejournal.com
A couple more: Colin Greenland and Paul J. McAuley - but they're not that old...

Then there is 'Journey into Space':

http://www.whirligig-tv.co.uk/radio/journeyintospace.htm

You can listen to it on BBC 7.

But it isn't a book.

There were some novels by Charles Chilton, writer of 'Journey into Space':

# Journey Into Space (1954)
# The Red Planet (1956)
# The World of Peril (1960)

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?Charles_Chilton

There must be more...

:o)

Date: 2004-05-27 04:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] snowking.livejournal.com
I caught an episode of that the other day. 19 of 20 or something. Is the whole thing available on CD (or via more illicit means) ?

Date: 2004-05-27 04:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scribeoflight.livejournal.com
I think it may have been - but isn't any more...

And you can get anything by illicit means, I suppose... if you know where to look :o)

Date: 2004-05-28 01:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] peteyoung.livejournal.com
I have 'Operation Luna' (the first Journey into Space series) and 'The Red Planet' on BBC cassette, but the third adventure 'World In Peril' has been impossible to find and believe me I've looked and asked everywhere. The Beeb also released a boxed set of all three adventures on cassette but that too has been deleted, so any future release on CD will be a cause for celebration.

Date: 2004-05-27 04:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] purplecthulhu.livejournal.com
If we're talking 70s, then might I humbly suggest Brian Stableford's Hooded Swan series as British space opera. Really good books as well!

I'm beginning to suspect that there has been British Space opera all along, but it was only recently that it became as prominant as its US counterpart.

Maybe we should be asking why it was overlooked in the days of the New Wave, not why it wasn't there. And why is it now no longer overlooked?

Date: 2004-05-27 06:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] coalescent.livejournal.com
Maybe we should be asking why it was overlooked in the days of the New Wave,

Because they all liked the smell of boiled cabbage so much, obviously.

Date: 2004-05-27 08:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] despotliz.livejournal.com
1. Whee, copy of Redemption Ark for me. <3 <3 <3

2. Someone mentioned Snow. If the earth was three miles deep in snow, how much of the oceans would be left as ocean and how much would be snow? Would the snow just sit on top of the ocean with a pocket of warmer water underneath?

This is probably explained in the book, but I'm curious.

Date: 2004-05-27 02:59 pm (UTC)
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I heartily recommend that you pick up Charles Stross' Accelerando when it comes out.

It even has Ken Macleod in it (in the background admittedly)

Date: 2004-05-27 03:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] coalescent.livejournal.com
Wait? Hell, I'm following it in Asimov's. And now that I know the last stories have all been accepted, I'm just impatient for Dozois to hurry up and run the damn things.

Prediction: Accelerando will win the Hugo award for best novel at the 2006 Worldcon.

Date: 2004-05-27 03:09 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] andrewducker
Haven't got to the last stories yet (at least I don't think so - I don't read Asimov's), but it is rather good.

Feels groundbreaking, although I'm going to ask Charles if I can post a review so I can outline what I like/don't like about it.

Date: 2004-05-27 03:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] coalescent.livejournal.com
This may be a stupid question, but why do you have to ask him if you can post a review?

*penny drops*

Wait a minute. Are you talking about the manuscript of the whole thing?

Date: 2004-05-27 03:38 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] andrewducker
I am indeed.

Got chatting at PloktaCon and he Bluetoothed it to my PDA.

I'm not allowed to hand it out tho.

Date: 2004-05-27 03:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] coalescent.livejournal.com
I wasn't going to ask. Although I was considering taking up pickpocketing. ;-)

Anyway, I hope you can post a review!

Date: 2004-05-29 03:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] purplecthulhu.livejournal.com
And he's not the only one...

Though I've been rather set back by my laptop dying shortly after Plokta. Hopefully I can get some reading done while I'm away for the next few weeks.

Date: 2006-08-30 03:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] talvalin.livejournal.com
Prediction: Accelerando will win the Hugo award for best novel at the 2006 Worldcon.

Loser.

Date: 2006-08-30 06:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] coalescent.livejournal.com
Yeah, I had 'Magic for Beginners' pegged as a winner, too.

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