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In a report about the 2nd annual international space elevator conference (so only 48 years to go until they actually build one, then) there's this:
One unlikely problem could be capturing the public's imagination. "When we actually start launching this it's going to be kind of boring," Dr Edwards said. "There's no smoke, there's no pillars of fire and there's no loud rumbling noises. There's just this thing that slowly ascends the ribbon into space."

Bah. It's a space elevator! How can people not understand that a space elevator is just cool?

Date: 2003-09-15 02:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hawleygriffen.livejournal.com
A ribbon? The space elevator is going to be a ribbon? Sucky.

And why exactly do we need a space elevator? Must go look at site as long as it doesn't use too many big words.

Date: 2003-09-15 02:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] coalescent.livejournal.com
And why exactly do we need a space elevator?

Don't make me get all Sam Seaborn on yo' ass.

Date: 2003-09-15 02:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] snowking.livejournal.com
But you're doing that all of the time.

Date: 2003-09-15 02:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] coalescent.livejournal.com
Yes, that's exactly the response I was hoping for, and not a digression from the central issue at all. [/Giles]

Date: 2003-09-15 02:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hawleygriffen.livejournal.com
It's your fault. You mentioned Sam. Did you expect me to be frightened by the thought of Sam? Though, come to think of it, mentioning Sam isn't a fault, and should be encouraged to happen more. mmm, sam seaborn.

Date: 2003-09-15 02:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] coalescent.livejournal.com
Don't you have a whole community for this now? :-p

Date: 2003-09-15 03:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hawleygriffen.livejournal.com
I can "mmmmm" wherever I want to. Especially if it annoys you.

mmmm, sam. rob lowe goodness.

Date: 2003-09-15 03:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] snowking.livejournal.com
There's a Rob Lowe at my workplace. Also a Philip Marlow. Should I go ask him for tips on how to write noir?

Date: 2003-09-15 03:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hawleygriffen.livejournal.com
Wrong Rob Lowe. And yes.

Date: 2003-09-15 03:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] coalescent.livejournal.com
Wrong Rob Lowe.

You don't know that. It's not like he's got a regular acting gig anymore, after all. :-p

Date: 2003-09-15 03:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hawleygriffen.livejournal.com
What about that pilot of his, eh?

Date: 2003-09-15 04:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] snowking.livejournal.com
It's kinda set in an office. Maybe he's doing character acting...

Date: 2003-09-15 04:28 am (UTC)

Date: 2003-09-15 04:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] snowking.livejournal.com
I mean, method acting. Duh.

Date: 2003-09-15 02:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] snowking.livejournal.com
To elevate things. INTO SPPAAAAAAAAAACE!!!!!

Date: 2003-09-15 02:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hawleygriffen.livejournal.com
Don't we have spaceships for that? And what happens if the elevator breaks down when people are half-way up, huh? What are they going to do with all their intergalactic shopping bags? Will they have to walk all the way back down?

Date: 2003-09-15 02:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] coalescent.livejournal.com
I'll let a friend of mine explain in more detail. Even if his pictures are broken.

Date: 2003-09-15 02:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hawleygriffen.livejournal.com
Still, what about the breaking down and poor stranded people with all their mir space station souvenirs? Eh? No-one thinks about them!

Date: 2003-09-15 03:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] snowking.livejournal.com
They get to float out into space and most of them die but one survives.

Assuming Kim Stanley Robinson wasn't lying to me.

Date: 2003-09-15 03:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hawleygriffen.livejournal.com
Kim lied!

And who is the one?
The one with all the cute souvenirs, right?

Date: 2003-09-15 03:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] snowking.livejournal.com
Uh yes. Of course. *looks shifty*

Date: 2003-09-15 04:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tizzle-b.livejournal.com
My god you're all so bored today, no?

Date: 2003-09-15 04:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hawleygriffen.livejournal.com
And what does that say about you, reading us, eh?

Date: 2003-09-15 06:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tizzle-b.livejournal.com
I meant with quite how.... tenuous the replies are. The mere content shows how much you're all struggling to keep the commenting going :P

Date: 2003-09-15 07:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] snowking.livejournal.com
This is no more tenuous than usual.

Re: Tom, tom, tom

Date: 2003-09-18 04:47 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Screw you, hippie!

And, uh, if someone wants to donate or find some suitable pictures, i'd love to use them. The burst of inspiration by which i was struck was long enough to write the text, but not to do the pictures.

-- Tom

Re: Tom, tom, tom

Date: 2003-09-19 05:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] applez.livejournal.com
pictures for? I've lost context, I'm afraid.

Date: 2003-09-15 02:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] snowking.livejournal.com
Well, yes but the elevator, once built, will be cheaper and thus promote the space industry. Also, it'd be really cool and one more thing Arthur C Clarke can point at and say "I invented that".

Date: 2003-09-18 04:53 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Repeat after me:

The space elevator was invented by Yuri Artsutanov.

Well, first invented; it has been independently reinvented a number of times. The basic idea goes back to Tsiolkovski, but he didn't get the crucial idea of it being a tension structure.

-- Tom

Date: 2003-09-19 12:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] snowking.livejournal.com
Pfft. You know it doesn't matter who ACTUALLY invented something. It's who gets the popular vote.

Date: 2003-09-15 02:32 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] fba.livejournal.com
But what lift music would they use?

Date: 2003-09-15 02:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hawleygriffen.livejournal.com
Perfect!
It's almost worth the cost of a space elevator just for that.

So long as...

Date: 2003-09-15 09:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] applez.livejournal.com
it's not a muzak rendition, that'd just be hell.

Also, how long would the ride be? An hour?

To really make it cool, they'd probably need to build an entertainment centre in the elevator car - be it a Zero G gym, or a Starbucks, or something...

Re: So long as...

Date: 2003-09-15 11:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hawleygriffen.livejournal.com
Starbucks in spaaaaaaaaaaaaace.

They have a point you know...

Date: 2003-09-15 09:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] applez.livejournal.com
Given how the public quickly became bored with the shuttle, even ... and a space elevator won't have that blast of hot LOx either.

We can write off Japanese fandom, which is guaranteed.

Then again, if the elevator can become as commonly used as a car or train today, then public inspiration and excitement may not be that critical. Still, that's a mighty big if for something that will need public funding in all probability.

Re: They have a point you know...

Date: 2003-09-16 01:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] coalescent.livejournal.com
Given how the public quickly became bored with the shuttle, even

Yes, but the shuttle sucks. The shuttle is not quick, relatively cheap, routine access to space...

Points? Where we're going, we don't NEED points!

Date: 2003-09-18 05:15 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Watching carriages ride the elevator may be boring. Watching the elevator transform your planet's economy and your species' outlook on the universe probably won't.

The thing is, the elevator is a lot cheaper than a rocket. At present, rockets charge about 2000 $/kg to low orbit and 12000 $/kg to geosynchronous orbit. They're expensive because the machinery has to be high-performance, and, mainly, because they have to lift their own fuel. With an elevator, the carriages are reusable and electrically powered, which means you basically only have to pay for the power, which comes at something like 1 $/kg to geosynchronous orbit. Just don't try building it in California, eh?

-- Tom

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