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From the ballot, for the last time today:
A generally available non-professional publication devoted to science fiction, fantasy, or related subjects which by the close of the previous calendar year has published 4 or more issues, at least one of which appeared in the previous calendar year, and which does not qualify as a semiprozine.
Right. I freely admit that this is a category about which I know very little.

I have read and enjoyed Zoo Nation (edited by [livejournal.com profile] flyingsauce) and Banana Wings (brought to you by the [livejournal.com profile] fishlifters), so they'll probably both make my ballot. [livejournal.com profile] swisstone's Halo of Flies is another possible contender, and I don't want to be accused of taking Ansible for granted.

But I'm sure there must be more out there that I'm not remembering. Help me out?

[Other categories]

Date: 2005-03-01 12:37 pm (UTC)
ext_5856: (Default)
From: [identity profile] flickgc.livejournal.com
Ansible's semi-pro, not fanzine. I thought.

Date: 2005-03-01 12:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] coalescent.livejournal.com
Oh, is it? Interesting; that puts it up against Locus and the like.

Thanks.

Date: 2005-03-01 12:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] despotliz.livejournal.com
IIRC Dave Langford declared Ansible to be semi-pro a couple of years ago after it won quite a few times, and by announcing that and having a circulation >1,000 it fits.

Date: 2005-03-01 12:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] despotliz.livejournal.com
Also: no Emerald City? ;)

Date: 2005-03-01 12:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] green-amber.livejournal.com
Chunga has been the best zine around for some time, I think, tho as usual, the original frequency seems to have declined..

Date: 2005-03-01 01:08 pm (UTC)
ext_5856: (Default)
From: [identity profile] flickgc.livejournal.com
Yes -- I think he wanted to give other people a chance....

Date: 2005-03-01 01:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] despotliz.livejournal.com
Although thinking about it, I wonder if it has to be paper copies to count as circulation.

Date: 2005-03-01 01:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] swisstone.livejournal.com
Ooh, thank you.

Date: 2005-03-01 01:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] greengolux.livejournal.com
There's Plokta too...

Date: 2005-03-01 01:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sclerotic-rings.livejournal.com
Well, I'd suggest Tangent, but (a) it hasn't published a dead tree issue since 1998 and (b) you should have heard the shrieking and yelling about its nomination in '97 because "it's too professional-looking to be a fanzine!" (The sad fact of the matter is that so few people bother to vote for most of the smaller categories that about thirty determined partisans could have grand fun if anyone wanted to organize a Hugo takeover.)

Date: 2005-03-01 01:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] coalescent.livejournal.com
Who do I ask for copies?

Date: 2005-03-01 01:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] coalescent.livejournal.com
I'm so not getting into the online/offline fanzine debate again. :p

Date: 2005-03-01 01:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] coalescent.livejournal.com
Not that I've ever seen a copy ... Could you bring some to the ton on thursday? And anything else you've got that you think is worth a look, actually.

Date: 2005-03-01 01:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] coalescent.livejournal.com
Actually, I had my eye on Tangent for the best web site category, although that's at least partly because I never encountered a dead-tree edition.

(The sad fact of the matter is that so few people bother to vote for most of the smaller categories that about thirty determined partisans could have grand fun if anyone wanted to organize a Hugo takeover.)

Hence this discussion. ;-)

Date: 2005-03-01 01:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] greengolux.livejournal.com
Yeah, sure. I've got a copy of Chunga, so will bring that too.

Date: 2005-03-01 01:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] greengolux.livejournal.com
I'll bring my copy on Thursday and you can take names/addresses.

Date: 2005-03-01 01:42 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] drplokta
There are a bunch of back issues on the web at http://www.plokta.com/plokta/

Date: 2005-03-01 01:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] coalescent.livejournal.com
Much obliged.

Date: 2005-03-01 02:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chance88088.livejournal.com
The sad fact of the matter is that so few people bother to vote for most of the smaller categories that about thirty determined partisans could have grand fun if anyone wanted to organize a Hugo takeover.

Even the larger categories, really. If I remember right, last year a short story got on the ballot with around 30 votes -and that's not untypical. People are really lazy when it comes to nominations.

Though I don't vote in some of the smaller categories because I don't know anything about them (espicially the fan writers and artists.)

Date: 2005-03-01 03:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] coalescent.livejournal.com
fan writers

Bloggers count. ;-)

Date: 2005-03-01 03:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] despotliz.livejournal.com
Niall's plan for world SF domination is revealed! Witness the awesome power of this fully operational hugo nomination juggernaut.


[livejournal.com profile] instant_fanzine for best website, anyone? :)

Date: 2005-03-01 03:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sclerotic-rings.livejournal.com
I may have to fix that. After the books come out, I'm very seriously considering selling off my old archives, and I think that I have a spare copy of the old dead-tree Tangent anyway. (Oh, I miss those days.)

Date: 2005-03-01 03:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sclerotic-rings.livejournal.com
Lazy is only part of the situation: a lot of it comes down to the horrible lack of education for Worldcon attendees. (I saw the aftermath at the 1997 WorldCon because a lot of friends arrived: once Babylon 5 won its Best Dramatic Presentation award, they all walked because they didn't know any of the other categories or the nominees. Lots of oldtimers threw tantrums about the rudeness, but my answer was "And what did YOU do to encourage them to stay?") Sadly, I don't expect things to get better: as with Presidential elections, if we had an informed electorate, then the Hugo winners from the last decade would be drastically different than what we got.

Date: 2005-03-01 06:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ajr.livejournal.com
I suggested that to [livejournal.com profile] snowking months ago and he scoffed at me. The bitch.

Date: 2005-03-01 09:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shsilver.livejournal.com
I'll admit to being biased, but I'd point out my own fanzine, Argentus (http://www.sfsite.com/~silverag/argentus.html), which became eligible last year.

Date: 2005-03-02 08:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] coalescent.livejournal.com
I'll check it out. :)

Date: 2005-03-08 03:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] spacecrab.livejournal.com
As you know, the limited circulation of many paper fanzines has made consideration of them for Hugo awards problematical for a number of years. I intend to nominate Trap Door, whose 2003 issue is available in PDF at efanzines.com (http://efanzines.com). (The 2004 issue, which had a paper circulation of about 120 copies, will be posted on efanzines.com ahead of the final voting deadline, but it won't make the nomination deadline.) I'd also recommend a stop by efanzines.com to consider a number of other excellent fanzines published last year, including Chunga, No Award, and SF Commentary. (These do have available PDFs of 2004 issues, right now.)

The PDF of the 2003 Trap Door is well worth checking out, no matter what you wind up nominating for the 2004 Fanzine Hugo.

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